Posts by FatFreek 2005

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1984 WT Cover, one more arrow in our quiver

by FatFreek 2005 in

we certainly don't want to allow watchtower the luxury of forgetting.

for your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice.

len miller.

FatFreek 2005

"If the end had come twenty years ago, how many of us would not be here?"

That's a good one, X360 -- one I hadn't heard before.

Len

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1984 WT Cover, one more arrow in our quiver

by FatFreek 2005 in

we certainly don't want to allow watchtower the luxury of forgetting.

for your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice.

len miller.

FatFreek 2005

Be glad to, Free. I created these others quite awhile ago.

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Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

by mankkeli in

this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

(1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

FatFreek 2005

That 1984 Watchtower illustrates just how good a prophet they are.

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Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

by mankkeli in

this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

(1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

FatFreek 2005

THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION had something to do with me leaving. It's an 11 minute read if you skip the endnotes. Let me know if it has any impact on you.

Len

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1984 WT Cover, one more arrow in our quiver

by FatFreek 2005 in

we certainly don't want to allow watchtower the luxury of forgetting.

for your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice.

len miller.

FatFreek 2005

We certainly don't want to allow Watchtower the luxury of forgetting. For your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice. Len Miller

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The WATCHTOWER isn't DECEITFUL , they are just IMPERFECT

by Minimommi in

i recently started questioning my beliefs and i am not happy with what i found out.

i am married to a born in who admits that wtbs has some problems.

one of his favorite scriptures to quote is psalms 146:3 to "not put your trust in nobles", including the so called fds.

FatFreek 2005

Very well put, Lars -- the result, I'm sure, of hours of research.

A comfortable believer doesn't care about the history beacuse it happened long time ago:) -- Diamondiiz.

Yes, and they are lulled into thinking that way by Watchtower. Comfortable believers, however, should consider the following:

"Modern Watchtower literature has no problem referring to early Zion's Watch Tower (ZWT) magazines when it suits their purpose. A case in point is from a recent Watchtower magazine: “One of the reasons why Zion’s Watch Tower was first published in July 1879 was to defend the Bible teaching of the ransom. Its pages provided "food at the proper time," for in the late 1800’s, a growing number of professed Christians began to question how Jesus’ death could be a ransom for our sins.” The Watchtower 2010, 8/15 p. 12 par. 2.

That ZWT reference reasonably implies that there is no statute of limitations for "food at the proper time". And it is only one of some 1,507 references to the older “Zion's Watch Tower” within its modern literature since 1950. I think it's revealing that WT has no qualms about using the early literature when it reinforces what it wants to present to its readers.

Some of its modern (since 1950) literature is prolific with quotations from Zion's Watch Tower, one WT magazine providing no less than 6 ZTW quotations in its single issue of May 15, 1952." The Great Watchtower Contradiction

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The WATCHTOWER isn't DECEITFUL , they are just IMPERFECT

by Minimommi in

i recently started questioning my beliefs and i am not happy with what i found out.

i am married to a born in who admits that wtbs has some problems.

one of his favorite scriptures to quote is psalms 146:3 to "not put your trust in nobles", including the so called fds.

FatFreek 2005

The WTS rewrote its history to reflect that individual brothers were responsible for claiming and maintaining that CT Russell was the "faithful and wise servant." However, the "7th Volume" published by JF Rutherford clearly names Russell as the "faithful and wise servant" as well as the "angel of the congregation of Laodecia." Thus it was official WTS doctrine from 1917 to 1927 that Russell was the "faithful and wise servant", which in 1927 they revised the concept to the GB, basically, and called naming an individual that title "creature worship."
Great comment, Larsinger58.

It inspired me into checking whether The Watchtower of those years repeated that stuff. I'm tired of hearing modern WT literature and apologists repeat the old saw that Bro Russell may have admitted this "appointment" privately, or that individuals may have expressed that view, etc., ... It was no private matter, period!!! This was repeatedly expressed from the pages of their flagship journal, The Watch Tower. Sure, individuals may have also expressed such -- but they were simply repeating what they had been told in Watch Tower. In the year following his death in 1916, there are no less than four Watch Tower articles that referred to Russell as being the embodiment of the Faithful and Discreet Slave (Faithful Servant in those days).

"We deem it appropriate, therefore, to call attention here to the final warning and admonition given to the church by that "faithful and wise servant," published in the November 1, 1916, Watch Tower. This warning from Brother Russell seems to indicate that after his decease special trials would come to the church. Since his death his words appear even more striking and appropriate than while he was among us. We quote them as follows: ..." The Watch Tower, Jan 1, 1917 [6027] "VIEWS FROM THE WATCH TOWER"

"All.the "feet members" who are now engaged in proclaiming this precious message received their enlightenment by partaking of the "food" which the Lord sent through his chosen servant. The Watch Tower unhesitatingly proclaims Brother Russell as "that faithful and wise servant." He delivered the message faithfully, finished his course and has now entered into to his reward. Through him the Lord gave to the church the message that is so essential to each one who in this harvest time would win the glorious prize. We cannot too strongly urge upon the pilgrim brethren, therefore, that they emphasize to the various classes the necessity of adhering strictly to the message which the Lord gave through this chosen channel." The Watch Tower, March 1, 1917, [6049] "PROCLAIMERS OF THE KINGDOM MESSAGE"

We also wish to assure you of our hearty, continued co-operation in carrying forward the work which our Pastor so wisely and so masterly a manner mapped out for us as that "wise servant" of the Lord, "the man with the ink-horn." We heartily join in thanking our dear heavenly Father for so faithful a servant and so loving a character as Brother Russell, whose life as an example of courage, zeal and love has been a constant stimulus to us, as a true copy of God's dear Son! ... EAST ST. LOUIS ECCLESIA.-- Ill. The Watch Tower, March 15, 1917, "LETTERS OF DEEP INTEREST", [6062](Note: Although this was a letter submitted from a congregation ("ecclesia" in those days) it was printed with no rebuttal or dispute (understandably) by the editor of The Watch Tower. Being thus sanctioned, it is included in this listing)

"The Seventh Volume was prepared and published by and under the direction of the WATCH TOWEER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY, the messenger having power to send out truths destructive to Babylon. (G 6; Rev.14:18). Pastor Russell is the real author, and the compilers give all the credit to him and to the great Lord of the harvest. From what he had written the compilers were enabled to understand the prophecies of Ezekiel and Revelation.

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It shows that the Prophet Ezekiel was the prototype of the seventh messenger, and that the experiences of Ezekiel have been marvelously paralleled and fulfilled in the experiences of Pastor Russell. Ezekiel's prophecy, heretofore a sealed book, is now made clear in the closing hours of the harvest. It confirms the Lord's promise of the "faithful and wise servant," and identifies him. It proves that Paster Russell's seven volumes of STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES are foreknown and foretold as the "thrice-doubled sword and its point," and shows how it should be sent forth." The Watch Tower, Nov. 15, 1917, THE PRICE OF EXALTATION [6170]

Len Miller

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The WATCHTOWER isn't DECEITFUL , they are just IMPERFECT

by Minimommi in

i recently started questioning my beliefs and i am not happy with what i found out.

i am married to a born in who admits that wtbs has some problems.

one of his favorite scriptures to quote is psalms 146:3 to "not put your trust in nobles", including the so called fds.

FatFreek 2005

I asked him what would make him leave. He said, If they started demanding money such as tithing like the churches or he sees any outright DECEIT.

Ask him to take the 11 minutes it takes to read The Great Watchtower Contadiction. If he doesn't see any deceit in those Watchtower actions I'll eat my symbolic hat. I'll begin to do that as soon their predicted end begins.

Len

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New Archive with Full Year PDFs!

by Atlantis in

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new archive for full year pdfs!

*this archive starts with the golden age which have now been updated to full year files, and then continues with awakes from 1942 to 1969.

FatFreek 2005

I got the 1957 Awake! using Chrome under Win 7, no problem.

Atlantis, you the man for filling in these huge blanks. Thanks a million.

Len

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JW Manhattan Project

by Red Piller in

i received this and am passing it on email.

(nyc) area by jehovah's witnesses.

god in this project, too.. .

FatFreek 2005

"We are not to be a BIT "stingy" with our literature (especially Bibles!) Bibles are to be given generously to all who want them, with NO mention of donations."

Ummm ... and who, actually, is going to pay for this literature, and these Bibles?

Len